Tolkien and Nevbosh: A Tale of limericks, Nonsense, and Literary Echoes
Tolkien and Nevbosh: A Tale of limericks,
Nonsense, and Literary Echoes
Oronzo Cilli
(The Monsters and the Critics, 203)
Another curious appearance is found in Amélie Rives (Princess Troubetszkoy)’s story The Mocking of the Gods, published in Harper’s Monthly Magazine in December 1902. A philosophical tale of beauty, perception, love, and sacrifice, it contains a moment of emotional crisis in which the character Dr. Thurlow exclaims:
There was an old man who said ‘How / Can I possibly carry my cow? / For if I were to ask it / To get in my basket / It would make such a terrible row!’
There was an Old Man who said, ‘How / Shall I flee from this horrible Cow? / I will sit on the stile, and continue to smile / Which may soften the heart of that Cow.’
I found that the translation of Tolkien’s limerick, published by Carpenter in 1977, is nearly identical to a version that had already appeared in earlier publications:
There once was a man who said ‘How / Shall I manage to carry my cow? / For if I should ask it / To get in my basket, / It would make such a terrible row.’
At present, I don’t have the answer—but the question is certainly intriguing and, I suspect, will interest many of you as well.
Post scriptum
Speaking of limericks and Tolkien—another curiosity.
In the minutes of the Debating Society held on April 2, 1912, signed by inkling R.Q. Gilson and published in the King Edward’s School Chronicle (Vol. XXVII, No. 193, June 1912, 36–39), we read:
The Bailiff of the past year, COUNCILLOR A. G. ELLAWAY, was kind enough
to take the Chair, and C. L. WISEMAN was called upon to bring forward the
motion “That it is better to be Eccentric than Orthodox.” The lion, member’s
speech was among his best, but displayed his usual and rather dangerous
fondness for combining” the serious and the comic. The house was first treated
to a frivolous limerick, and was then seriously warned against the dangers of
“Chestertonian” paradox, and requesting to assign some meaning to the English
language. The hon. member then explained his own interpretation of the motion.
“Orthodox” implies an attitude of reverence, “Eccentric” one of non-reverence
(not necessarily irreverence) for accepted conventions. These are essentially
opposed. The peculiar position of the eccentric man is that he makes his own
conventions, and in doing so considers his personal convenience, and not the
prejudices of society. The result is that he possesses a remarkable freedom,
which most men deny themselves. The only drawback of eccentricity is the abuse
it calls down upon its devotees, abuse such as Wagner and Mr. Lloyd George have
suffered. Some parallel examples of the eccentric and orthodox were then given:
the carriage and pair instead of the motor car; the study of Italian history
rather than that of Greece; and a further instance which the hon.
[…]
[V. H. WHITTAKER] He was followed by Mr. J. R. R. TOLKIEN (Neg.) who seemed chiefly determined to disregard the hon. opener’s warning, as lie began by denying the true opposition between the orthodox and the eccentric, and maintained the possibility of a man’s being both at the same time. He made, however, a number of interesting points; in particular, the parallel to the rules which govern Society which he drew from a game of cricket, where eccentricity would be obviously intolerable.
[…]
CARPENTER, Humphrey. J. R. R. Tolkien: A Biography. London:
George Allen & Unwin, 1977.
CARROLL, Lewis. Alice through the Looking Glass. London: Macmillan and Co., 1872.
CHESTERTON, G. K. Twelve Types. London: Arthur L. Humpreys, 1902.
—. Varied types. New York, Dodd, Mead and company, 1903.
LEAR, Edward [under the pseudonym “Old Derry down Derry”] A Book of
Nonsense. London: Routledge, Warne, and Routledge, 1846.
MARTIN, Henry. The little limerick book. Mount Vernon, NY: Peter Pauper Press, 1955.
OSBORN, Robert. The dolphin book of limericks. New York: Dlphin books Doubleday & company, inc., 1963.
RIVES, Amélie (Princess Troubetszkoy). ‘The Mocking of the Goods’ in HARPER'S Monthly Magazine, v. CVI n. DCXXXI, December 1902, 122-133.
SCULL, Christina & HAMMOND, Wayne G. The J. R. R. Tolkien Companion and Guide, vols. 3. London: HarperCollins, 2017.
TOLKIEN, J. R. R. Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics. London: Proceedings of the British Academy, 1937.
—. A Secret Vice in The Monsters and the Critics. London: George Allen & Unwin, 1893.
—. A Secret Vice. Edited
by Dimitra Fimi & Andrew Higgins. London: HarperCollins, 2016.
WALSH, William Shepard. Handy-book of literary curiosities. Philadelphia:
J.B. Lippincott Co., 1893.
WELLS, Carolyn (Collected). A Nonsense Anthology. New York Scribner’s Sons, 1902.
Speaking of limericks and Tolkien—another curiosity.
In the minutes of the Debating Society held on April 2, 1912, signed by inkling R.Q. Gilson and published in the King Edward’s School Chronicle (Vol. XXVII, No. 193, June 1912, 36–39), we read:
[…]
[V. H. WHITTAKER] He was followed by Mr. J. R. R. TOLKIEN (Neg.) who seemed chiefly determined to disregard the hon. opener’s warning, as lie began by denying the true opposition between the orthodox and the eccentric, and maintained the possibility of a man’s being both at the same time. He made, however, a number of interesting points; in particular, the parallel to the rules which govern Society which he drew from a game of cricket, where eccentricity would be obviously intolerable.
[…]
Bibliography
CARROLL, Lewis. Alice through the Looking Glass. London: Macmillan and Co., 1872.
CHESTERTON, G. K. Twelve Types. London: Arthur L. Humpreys, 1902.
—. Varied types. New York, Dodd, Mead and company, 1903.
MARTIN, Henry. The little limerick book. Mount Vernon, NY: Peter Pauper Press, 1955.
OSBORN, Robert. The dolphin book of limericks. New York: Dlphin books Doubleday & company, inc., 1963.
RIVES, Amélie (Princess Troubetszkoy). ‘The Mocking of the Goods’ in HARPER'S Monthly Magazine, v. CVI n. DCXXXI, December 1902, 122-133.
SCULL, Christina & HAMMOND, Wayne G. The J. R. R. Tolkien Companion and Guide, vols. 3. London: HarperCollins, 2017.
TOLKIEN, J. R. R. Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics. London: Proceedings of the British Academy, 1937.
—. A Secret Vice in The Monsters and the Critics. London: George Allen & Unwin, 1893.
WELLS, Carolyn (Collected). A Nonsense Anthology. New York Scribner’s Sons, 1902.